What is polygenic embryo screening in IVF and does it work?

In the UK, couples undergoing IVF are taking advantage of a loophole in the law to get insight into their embryos' genetic makeup. This has raised questions about polygenic embryo screening, or PGT-P, which claims to predict not only serious health conditions but also traits like intelligence and height.

Currently, fertility clinics can perform tests on embryos that focus on specific health concerns, such as Huntington's disease, cystic fibrosis, and sickle-cell anemia. However, the UK law restricts these screenings to a list of about 1,700 single-gene disorders. The grey area where PGT-P comes in is rooted in the fact that genetic sequencing has become more efficient and affordable.

The concern arises from how embryos are being tested for genetic conditions. Clinics typically screen for aneuploidy by generating low-resolution genome sequences for each embryo, which isn't shared with IVF clinics. However, patients have the right to access their medical data under GDPR and the Data Protection Act 2018, allowing them to get insights into their embryos' genetics.

This data reveals the sex of an embryo and, when combined with high-quality genome sequences of parents, can generate predictions on mental and physical traits. Several US companies offer commercial health and IQ prediction services.

So, what exactly is PGT-P? Traits like height and intelligence are known to have a genetic component that spreads across thousands of genes interacting in complex ways. Scientists have developed algorithms using vast genetic databases to give predictive scores for these traits, which are probabilistic โ€“ having high predicted risk doesn't guarantee the condition.

Advocates argue that parents can make informed decisions with this technology, but others claim that the accuracy of predictions is untested when it comes to embryo selection and isn't justified on health grounds. Critics point out that polygenic scores are typically crude and only capture a fraction of the heritable component for complex traits like IQ.

Geneticists like Prof Frances Flinter warn about the premature adoption of inadequately validated tests, saying that PGT-P "represents a major concern." As the technology continues to evolve, it's essential to weigh the benefits against the potential risks and ensure that these predictions are used responsibly.
 
I'm not sure I fully get what's going on with this IVF thingy ๐Ÿค”. So like, couples in the UK can use IVF but also check out their embryos' genes to predict stuff about them? Like, height and smarts? Isn't that a bit too much info? ๐Ÿ’ก I mean, I get it if you wanna know if your kid might have some health problems, but what's with predicting traits like being tall or smart? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ It sounds kinda sketchy to me. And isn't there already enough anxiety around fertility and stuff? Don't need any more pressure on top of it all ๐Ÿ˜ฉ
 
๐Ÿค” The idea of testing embryos for traits like height and intelligence is getting me really curious ๐Ÿ’ก I mean, if they're gonna offer predictions on stuff we can't even control ourselves, why not test our kids' personalities too? That's some wild stuff ๐Ÿคฏ But at the same time, it's legit scary when you think about how accurate these predictions are going to be. I'm all for parents having more info, but shouldn't they just be focusing on getting healthy babies first? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ And what's with the grey area in the law - can't we just have clear rules around this stuff? It feels like tech companies are gonna take advantage of people's desire for more info and not deliver on those promises. ๐Ÿ‘€
 
IT'S GETTING CRAZY OUT THERE WITH IVF TESTS!!! ๐Ÿคฏ THEY'RE STARTING TO PREDICT THINGS LIKE HEIGHT AND INTELLIGENCE FROM EMBRYOS ๐Ÿ˜ฒ BUT IS IT REALLY ACCURATE?? I MEAN, WE KNOW GENETICS ARE COMPLEX AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE GENE THAT DETERMINES THESE TRAITS. PLUS, SOME OF THE COMPANIES OFFERING THESE SERVICES ARE DOING IT WITH ALGORITHMS THAT ARE STILL BEING DEVELOPED ๐Ÿค–. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I GET WHY PARENTS WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THEIR EMBRYOS AND MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ๐Ÿ’ก. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT FALLING FOR OVERHYPED TECHNOLOGY HERE ๐Ÿ˜….
 
OMG u no its getting crazy out here with embryo screening ๐Ÿคฏ! Like, I get it parents wanna make sure their lil ones r healthy & smart but can we really trust these polygenic scores? ๐Ÿค” They just use big data algo's like its magic ๐Ÿ’ซ and then BAM! Predicts ur kid will be 5'10" or a genius ๐Ÿง . But honestly wut is the science behind it all? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ We r talking thousands of genes interacting in complex ways, so how can we really predict traits like intelligence or height? ๐Ÿค” And what about the risks? Is this just a bunch of pseudoscience? ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ I'm low-key worried about the potential consequences of making decisions based on these untested predictions ๐Ÿšจ. We need to slow down and make sure we r using this tech responsibly ๐Ÿ™.
 
Wow ๐Ÿคฏ the idea that we can predict traits like height and intelligence from genetic data is mind-blowing! Interesting ๐Ÿ’ก how some US companies are already offering commercial health and IQ prediction services. I'm not sure if it's a good thing that parents have access to this info, but at the same time, it could be super helpful in making informed decisions about their families. We need to be careful not to overestimate the accuracy of these predictions, though ๐Ÿ˜
 
๐Ÿ˜• this is so scary for me... thinking about all those embryos being screened like they're just numbers or predictions ... what if we mess up? ๐Ÿคฏ we already have enough pressure on IVF, now we add this stuff too... I don't know how much more we can take from our bodies and minds... ๐Ÿ’”
 
I'm all for ppl havin more info about their embryos ๐Ÿค”. It's crazy how far genetic testing has come! But at the same time, I'm a bit worried about us gettin too caught up in predictin traits like height & intelligence ๐Ÿ˜ฌ. We need to make sure we're not just lookin at a bunch of numbers and makin assumptions about somethin that might not even happen. Prof Frances Flinter's concerns are spot on - we gotta be careful how we use this tech. And what about the ethics of it all? Are we prepared for the consequences if these predictions start gettin made? ๐Ÿค
 
๐Ÿค” so they're doin' this IVF thing in the UK where they can check their embryos for like, all sorts of stuff... genetic makeup, mental traits, height, the whole deal ๐Ÿคฏ. its wild cuz some companies in the US already got these commercial services goin on ๐Ÿ’ธ but the UK law is all like "hold up, we gotta stick to single-gene disorders" ๐Ÿšซ.

anyway, the thing is, these tests are gettin' way more accurate and affordable, so now everyone's all like "hey, I wanna know if my embryo's gonna be super smart or what ๐Ÿค“". but like, scientists are all worried 'cause they're not sure how accurate these predictions really are ๐Ÿค”. some say it's too good to be true, while others think its cool that parents can make more informed decisions ๐Ÿค.

idk, maybe this is the future of IVF or whatever? but we gotta be careful and make sure we don't get carried away with this stuff ๐Ÿ’ญ. its a big deal cuz genetic traits are super complex and hard to predict ๐Ÿง .
 
I think this PGT-P thing is really making me go ๐Ÿคฏ, you know? Like, I'm all for parents wanting to make informed decisions about their embryos, but we gotta be careful here... the accuracy of these predictions is so sketchy ๐Ÿ˜ฌ. I mean, traits like height and intelligence are influenced by thousands of genes, which means there's just too much variables at play. It's not like a single gene can predict everything ๐Ÿค”.

And what really gets me is that we're talking about polygenic scores as if they're some kinda magic pill ๐Ÿ’Š, but honestly, I'm not convinced they're more than just a rough estimate ๐Ÿ“Š. The data protection laws are also on my mind โ€“ who's to say the clinics aren't sharing this info with third parties? ๐Ÿค

I guess what I'm saying is we need to take a step back and have a nuanced conversation about the ethics of this tech ๐Ÿ’ฌ. Are these predictions really worth the risks, or are they just playing with fire ๐Ÿ”ฅ?
 
I'm so confused by this new tech ๐Ÿค”. So they can check embryos for health stuff like diseases, but now they're also trying to predict things like height and intelligence? That sounds like magic โœจ. But isn't that just a bunch of numbers thrown around? I don't get how scientists are sure these predictions won't be wrong... it's all just probabilities, right? ๐Ÿ˜ฌ And what about parents making decisions based on this info? Shouldn't they just want healthy kids who'll be happy and stuff, not ones with super high intelligence or whatever? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ
 
this is getting crazy ๐Ÿคฏ what if they start testing for personality traits like 'are you gonna be a loner or not' ๐Ÿค” and parents make decisions based on that? ๐Ÿ˜ฑ we already have enough pressure on kids to perform well in school ๐Ÿ“š and then add this? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ
 
I'm totally freaked out by this PGT-P thing ๐Ÿคฏ. I mean, we're already dealing with enough uncertainty in life, and now we're gonna try to predict things like height and IQ from tiny embryos? It's just too much info, you know? And have you seen those scores they get back? Probabilistic? Like, what even is that supposed to mean? ๐Ÿค”

And what about the ethics of it all? We're basically playing God here, deciding which traits are worthy of "screening". Mental health conditions, sure. But height and IQ? That's just not fair to everyone involved. And don't even get me started on the accuracy of these tests... I mean, come on, we can't even rely on them for serious health concerns. ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™€๏ธ

I think it's time for us to take a step back and have some real conversations about what this technology means for our society. We need to make sure we're not just rushing into something that could potentially harm people... or in this case, tiny embryos. ๐Ÿค—
 
I'm all for this advancement in fertility treatments but at the same time I think we need to tread carefully with polygenic embryo screening ๐Ÿค”. If you're gonna be using this tech to make predictions about traits like height or intelligence, we gotta make sure it's not just a gamble ๐Ÿ’ธ.

I mean, we already know that genetics plays a huge role in those things, but the idea that we can pinpoint an exact score for something like IQ is still pretty sketchy ๐Ÿ“Š. And let's be real, these algorithms are only as good as the data they're fed, and we all know how flawed that data can be ๐Ÿ˜‚.

It's great that patients have access to their medical data under GDPR, but what about when it comes to making decisions based on those predictions? Do parents really want to risk their embryos' futures on a score that's only probabilistic ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ?

The thing is, we're not even talking about life-altering conditions here like Huntington's disease or cystic fibrosis. We're talking about traits like... well, height ๐Ÿ˜‚. I mean, what's the value in knowing if you've got a 50% chance of being tall? It's just not that life-changing ๐Ÿคช.

I think what we need to do is slow down and have some serious conversations about what PGT-P represents and how it can be used responsibly ๐Ÿ’ฌ. We can't just rush into this without considering the potential risks and unintended consequences ๐Ÿ‘€.
 
๐Ÿค” I think it's crazy that couples in the UK are using this loophole to get insight into their embryos' genetic makeup ๐Ÿ“Š. It's like playing a game of genetic roulette, where they might end up with a child who's super intelligent but also has anxiety issues ๐Ÿ˜ฌ. The tech is still so new and untested, and I'm not sure if the predictions are even accurate ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.

I mean, what's next? Are we gonna start using this tech to predict our kid's favorite sports team or music taste? ๐ŸŽต It's like, yeah, I get that parents wanna make informed decisions, but do we really need to know if our kid's gonna be 5'10" with a 99% probability? ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ That just seems like a recipe for disappointment.

I'm all for pushing the boundaries of science and technology, but let's not rush into this without thinking it through ๐Ÿ˜ฌ. We gotta make sure we're using these tools responsibly and not just because it's "new" or "exciting". ๐Ÿ™
 
๐Ÿค” This whole IVF and genetic screening thing is getting too big for its britches if you ask me. I mean, sure, parents want to make informed decisions about their future kids, but have we reached peak parenting? ๐Ÿ™ƒ We're already talking about predicting traits like height and intelligence โ€“ what's next? Personality disorders? It's like we're playing God here.

And let's be real, the accuracy of these polygenic scores is a major red flag. I mean, critics are saying they're crude and only capture a fraction of the heritable component. That sounds like a whole lotta BS to me. We need more research before we start making decisions about our embryos based on probabilistic predictions.

And what's with the lack of regulation? It feels like we're just winging it here, relying on the whims of companies offering these services. We need some strong guidelines in place to ensure that this technology is used responsibly. Otherwise, we might end up with a whole generation of genetically engineered humans who are more suited to their environment than they know what's good for them.

It's time to take a step back and reevaluate our priorities here. Are we really comfortable with the idea of playing genetic roulette? I don't think so. We need to have a serious conversation about the ethics of this technology before we proceed any further. ๐Ÿ’ก
 
I'm all for families wanting to know as much as they can about their embryos before making decisions, but let's be real - predicting traits like height and intelligence is still way too early days ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ’ก. We're talking thousands of genes interacting in complex ways here, which is just begging for errors or oversimplifications. Plus, even if the algorithms are sound, we don't know what kind of impact this info would have on a child's self-esteem or identity. Not to mention the ethics of playing genetic roulette with embryos... it's a slippery slope ๐Ÿ“ˆ๐Ÿ’”.
 
๐Ÿคฏ I mean, can you even believe what's going on with this IVF loophole in the UK?! ๐Ÿคฏ These couples think they're getting ahead of the game, but honestly, it's just a Pandora's box of uncertainty waiting to be opened... ๐Ÿ’ฅ I get that parents want to make informed decisions, but do we really need to know if our kid's gonna be 5'2" or a genius at math?! ๐Ÿค” It sounds like these polygenic embryo screening tests are more snake oil than science ๐Ÿ˜’ And don't even get me started on the whole 'probabilistic predictions' thing - it's like, what even is that?! ๐Ÿ”ฎ Do we really want to gamble with our kids' futures based on some untested algorithm? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ I'm all for medical advancements and stuff, but this just feels like a slippery slope to nowhere... ๐Ÿšจ We need to have some real conversations about the ethics of this technology before it gets out of control! ๐Ÿ’ฌ
 
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