Hochul wants to tax Zyn, but biz groups fear it would boost nicotine black market

New York Governor Kathy Hochul's recent budget proposal has sparked outrage among small business owners and fans of nicotine pouches, with many fearing that taxing these alternative products will fuel the black market.

Under Hochul's plan, Zyn – a popular nicotine pouch brand – would face a 75% tax rate, nearly doubling its current price tag. The increased cost would make it less competitive to traditional tobacco products like cigarettes, cigars, and chewing tobacco. As a result, some bodega owners are already reporting a lack of demand for Zyn.

"This is a problem with the government," said John Rani, a clerk at Bleecker Street Grocery, where Zyn is sold. "If you put a tax on it, everything goes to the black market, and local businesses will lose their customers."

Zyn's popularity has been rising rapidly since its introduction in the US around 10 years ago. Tobacco giant Philip Morris International acquired the brand's parent company for $16 billion in 2022 as part of its strategy to transition into a "smoke-free" company.

However, experts argue that nicotine pouches are just as addictive and pose similar health risks as cigarettes. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has warned about the dangers of nicotine addiction, particularly among teenagers and young adults.

State finance officials project the tax would bring in $18 million in revenue in its first year, scaling up to around $50 million once fully implemented. However, opponents argue that this could drive even more tobacco products out of the legal market, ultimately benefiting the black market.

"This is a grave mistake for public health if you don't differentially tax," said University of Buffalo professor emeritus Lynn Kozlowski. "You make a mistake by keeping cigarettes much more expensive while taxing nicotine pouches similarly to other tobacco products."

While some states like Illinois and Washington have already started taxing alternative nicotine products, others are taking a more cautious approach. New Mexico lawmakers are considering expanding the state's tobacco tax to other nicotine products in the upcoming legislative session.

For now, leaders in the New York Senate and Assembly have yet to come out with a position on Hochul's tax proposal, which will be debated through a series of hearings until February.
 
I'm getting so frustrated with this whole thing 😒. I mean, what even is the plan here? You're gonna tax these nicotine pouches, but not cigarettes or cigars? It just doesn't add up 🤔. And now small business owners like John Rani are having to deal with it too... his bodega is already losing customers because of the price hike 💸.

And don't even get me started on the "black market" thing 🚫. Just 'cause you tax something, doesn't mean people aren't gonna find ways to buy it anyway 😒. It's like, come on, leaders... can't we just have a rational conversation about this instead of making assumptions? 🤷‍♀️

And what's the real goal here, though? Is it really about public health, or is it about raising some extra cash 💸? I don't know about you guys, but I'm just gonna keep an eye on this one... 👀
 
The max is that taxing Zyn like a regular tobacco product is gonna make it even harder for small businesses like bodega owners to compete with the black market 🤑. I mean, who wants to pay 75% more for a nicotine pouch when you can get one from some shady dude on the street? It's like trying to put a price tag on freedom or something... freedom to choose how and where we consume our vices 🤷‍♂️.

And I'm all for public health, but is it really that black and white? Can't they just, like, tax the stuff more in general? Make cigarettes even pricier than they already are? That way everyone would be equal, and the only ones who'd benefit from the black market would be those shady dudes 🤑.

I guess what I'm saying is that we need to think about this from a different angle. Instead of just taxing one product over another, let's look at how we can make all tobacco products more expensive and less appealing. That way we wouldn't have to worry about the black market as much, and everyone would be safer 🙏.

But, like, what do I know? I'm just some random dude on the internet... maybe I'm wrong 😅.
 
I gotta say, this budget proposal is a total bummer for small business owners and Zyn fans. Like, I get where the gov wants to raise revenue, but this 75% tax rate is gonna push these products into the black market and hurt legit businesses. It's like, we should be addressing the real issues with tobacco addiction instead of making it harder for people to quit.

And let's not forget, nicotine pouches are a serious public health concern - they're super addictive and can harm young folks. We need to take this stuff seriously and find ways to regulate it that don't just drive it underground. I'm all for finding new revenue streams, but this one feels like a mistake.
 
I'm tellin' ya, this whole thing is just crazy 🤯. I mean, I get it, the government's gotta make some cash, but taxing Zyn like that? It's gonna hurt those small businesses and bodegas who are already strugglin'. And let's be real, if people wanna smoke pouches, they're gonna find a way to do it anyway 🚫. The black market is always gonna exist. We gotta think about the bigger picture here. I'm all for public health, but this just seems like a bunch of short-sighted decision makin'. And what's with the tax revenue? $18 million? That's not even a drop in the bucket compared to the money they'd make from just takin' out cigarettes 🤑. This whole thing is just gonna drive more people underground and put 'em at risk for their health. It's just common sense, man 😒.
 
🤑 OMG, can you believe the government is even thinking about taxing nicotine pouches?! Like, I get it, we gotta keep our air clean and all that, but come on! This is gonna push Zyn to the black market for sure 🚫💸 It's already a super popular product among my friends, and now they're saying they might have to stop selling it? That's just not cool 😐.

And yeah, I've heard from some people that nicotine pouches are basically just as addictive as regular tobacco products... 🤯 Like, we should be worried about that! But at the same time, if we're gonna tax these things, shouldn't we make cigarettes way more expensive too? 🤑 I mean, that's what the experts are saying, right?

It's all so confusing, but one thing's for sure: this is gonna have some major effects on the small business owners in NY 👀💸 Like, can you imagine if all these people start going to the black market instead of their local bodega? 🚫 That's just not good news for anyone!
 
the gov is really gonna push those small bodega owners to the edge with this nicotine pouch tax 🤑💸 it's one thing to regulate tobacco, but taxing alternatives like zyn is just gonna drive more people to black market sellers. i mean, we all know how that ends. and let's be real, if you're addicted to nicotin, you're not exactly gonna switch to chewing tobacco or something 🤣 anyway, $18m in revenue is a tiny price to pay for the livelihoods of small business owners who are just trying to make ends meet
 
I'm thinkin' this whole thing is kinda wack 🤔. I mean, you got these small business owners who are already strugglin' and now they're gonna be hit with an even higher tax? That's just not right 🤑. And on the other hand, you got people worried about Zyn gettin' pushed to the black market... it's like, make up your mind or somethin' 😂. I'm all for public health and all, but do we really need to be playin' around with this tax thing? I mean, cigarettes are still out there, right? Why bother with Zyn if we're just gonna make it more expensive? 🤑💸
 
I'm so salty about this one 🤦‍♂️. I mean, who doesn't love the idea of taxing something just because it's "nicotine-related" and then watching as black markets and local businesses go up in flames? It's not like those nicotine pouches are gonna disappear or anything... they'll just be sold on the streets, making life more interesting for everyone 🌃. And what's with the 75% tax rate tho? Are we really that desperate to drive tobacco products into the black market? Like, isn't that basically how we got here in the first place? 🤑
 
OMG u guys the whole Zyn situation is getting crazy 🤑💸 i got a friend who owns a bodega in the city and they're literally losing customers left & right cuz people can't afford the new prices 💔 it's like the gov is gonna push them outta business just to save some cash $18 mil might not sound like much but for small biz owners that's like a death sentence 💀 and what's really annoying is the gov is still profiting off cigarettes while hitting other products with this harsh tax lol good luck with that 🤷‍♀️
 
omg i cant even imagine having to pay 75% tax on nicotine pouches 🤑😱 my friend has been using them to quit smoking and now they have to break the bank 💸 like what is wrong with our gov? shouldn't we be supporting people who are trying to quit smoking instead of hurting their pockets? 😔 i heard that bodega owners are already reporting a lack of demand for zyn because of the tax 📉 it's just so frustrating when politics gets in the way of helping ppl 🤦‍♀️
 
🤔 I think it's crazy that people are already panicking about Zyn facing a 75% tax rate. Like, yes, it might make the product more expensive and potentially less popular, but what's the harm in regulating this stuff? 🚭 We all know how addictive nicotine can be, especially for young folks. It's not like taxing these pouches is gonna help people quit smoking or anything... that's a whole different conversation 💸

But here's the thing: if we're really concerned about public health and reducing tobacco use, maybe we should be looking at ways to make healthier alternatives more accessible and affordable, rather than just taxing them out of existence 🤷‍♀️

And let's not forget, the black market is always gonna exist - it's like a bad habit we can't shake 😂. So, instead of freaking out over this tax, maybe we should be focusing on finding ways to make tobacco products more expensive and less appealing in the first place 💸
 
I'm gettin' worried about these new taxes comin' out... 🤑 it's like, I get where they wanna make money, but if it's gonna hurt small biz owners and drive this Zyn stuff to the black market, that's just crazy talk. I mean, have you seen those nicotine pouches? They're like a weird alternative for people who can't smoke or vape... 🤯 now they gotta pay 75% more? It's like a death sentence for those bodega owners and other businesses sellin' 'em.

And what's up with this $50 million revenue projection? That sounds like a drop in the bucket, you know? I mean, if it's really that bad, why not just make cigarettes super expensive instead of goin' after these alternative products? 🤔 it's all about public health and all, but I think they're messin' with the wrong thing here...
 
omg u guys i cant even... so they wanna tax nicotine pouches 75% more than traditional tobacco products?! that sounds like a recipe for disaster - all it'll do is drive them to the black market and hurt small businesses 🤯 meanwhile, experts are saying these pouches r just as addictive & pose similar health risks as cigarettes... like what's the plan here? 🤑 and btw, 50 mil in revenue from taxin' these things seems like a drop in the bucket compared to all the potential harm that could come from it 😒
 
omg I'm literally freaking out about this Zyn thing!!! 🤯 they're going to tax it 75%?!?! that's insane! my fave bodega has been selling them nonstop and now the prices are gonna go up like crazy? what's wrong with the gov 😩 John Rani is right, if they tax Zyn everyone will just buy from the black market and local businesses will suffer 🤕 and btw, I don't even smoke or vape but I know that nicotine pouches are bad for you 🚭 so why do we need to regulate them?!?! 🙄 this is a total mess 💔
 
I'm so stoked that our NY Governor is trying to bring in some extra cash 💸, but cmon @ Kathy Hochul, you gotta think about the impact on small biz owners like John Rani 🤝. We get it, nicotine pouches are not the healthiest option, but taxing them 75% is just gonna push more people to the black market 🚫. It's like, we need to find a balance here! And what about Zyn's fans? They're already seeing their favorite product become less competitive 🤕. I'd love to see some expert input on how to regulate these products without hurting local businesses or the economy 🤔.
 
🤔 this is crazy... think about it - if Zyn goes up by 75%, people are gonna turn to cheaper alternatives... and that means more tobacco products (cigarettes, cigars) get sold on the black market 🚭. but at the same time, we're all worried about nicotine pouches being bad for our health... it's like we're caught between a rock and a hard place 💸. what's the solution here? 🤷‍♂️
 
I'm so worried about this 🤕 I mean, I get it, we gotta make money for the state, but taxing Zyn is just gonna push the black market even more 💸. I've seen it happen at my dad's bodega in Queens - when they start charging more for stuff like this, people just go to the shady shops instead. And what about all the young people who are already hooked on nicotine pouches? We gotta think about their health too 🤕. It's not fair to punish them just because we want a bit of extra cash 💸.
 
🤕 Taxing nicotine pouches is a recipe for disaster 🚽! It'll push these products straight into the black market where they can't be regulated 🚫. Small business owners are already losing out on customers because of this, and it's only going to get worse 💸. We're talking about a product that's just as addictive as cigarettes 🤯, so why not regulate it like one? 🤷‍♂️ The CDC is warning us about the dangers of nicotine addiction, but does nobody care? 🙄
 
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