What would it take to replace New York state’s 550K lead pipes?

New York's Lead Pipe Conundrum: Can Government Take Over Replacement?

The clock is ticking for New York state, which must replace 550,000 lead pipes by 2037. But with private landowners on the hook to fix the problem, will it ever be done? Environmental groups say shifting responsibility to state and local governments could make the process more efficient, cost-effective, and faster.

The issue is complex, with the average cost for a building owner to replace a lead line clocking in at $10,000. However, cost alone isn't the main obstacle – it's the hassle of obtaining necessary permits and dealing with multiple landowners who own adjacent properties. "It should be a no-brainer," says Joshua Klainberg, senior vice president of the New York League of Conservation Voters. "The federal government is telling every public water supplier to replace these pipes."

One potential solution involves government takeover, which could streamline the process and reduce costs by allowing construction to be done block by block. "There's an economy of scale here," Klainberg explains. "You can get materials at a better price, line up labor agreements, and keep costs under control."

However, there are also challenges to consider. The New York State Department of Health says the state is already responsible for some aspects of lead pipe replacement, but it's logistically and financially unrealistic to take on managing a $4 billion construction project.

New York City has taken steps in this direction, with federal funding allocated to replace 5% of lead service lines in disadvantaged communities. But experts say a citywide initiative would require legislative changes at the state level.

Rochester, which began its lead pipe replacement program in 2017, offers an alternative model. The municipal government is doing the work for property owners, with no direct cost to customers. This approach has allowed the city to prioritize replacements in environmental justice communities and areas where streets are due to be repaved.

The stakes are high – according to a report, replacing lead service lines in New York would result in a statewide savings of over $42 billion in public health costs over 35 years. Small amounts of lead exposure can have serious consequences for children's development and overall health. "It's no joke," says Klainberg. "Once you get exposed, it doesn't leave your body – the symptoms just get worse and worse."
 
idk why ppl are stressin about this lead pipe thing... its like, we all knew they were a problem lol. so now they wanna make gov take over? idc how that works but im thinkin a block by block approach sounds decent 🤔. i mean, if it means gettin some cost control and efficiency, that's a win in my book. also, thinkin about all the $$$ saved from public health costs is nice 💸. but at the same time, its not just a matter of throwin money at it, there gotta be ways to deal with them landowners and permits too 🤷‍♀️. guess we'll just have to see how this plays out 👀
 
I'm getting super frustrated with this lead pipe situation in New York 🤯. Like, what's up with the complexity of getting all these private landowners on board? $10k is a lot of money for just replacing a pipe 🤑. And the hassle of permits and dealing with multiple landowners is just ridiculous 🙄.

I think government takeover could be a huge help 💪. It'd make sense to let the state handle it, especially since they're already responsible for some parts of the replacement process 🤝. We can't keep relying on federal funding alone – that's not a sustainable solution 📉. And what about New York City? They've already taken steps in this direction, but we need more concrete plans 🗺️.

This whole thing is just so... annoying 😒. The health risks are real, and we can't afford to wait any longer 💸. I'm calling on our state leaders to get it together and find a solution ASAP ⏰. We deserve better than this lead pipe mess 🤮!
 
I think the gov't should take over this whole thing 🤔... I mean, they're basically telling every public water supplier to replace these pipes already, so why not make it official? 💪 But at the same time, I'm worried about the logistics of it all. $4 billion is a big chunk of change, and I don't think the state can just magic that money into existence 🤑.

And what about private landowners who own adjacent properties? They're already causing headaches for building owners. If the gov't takes over, will they just be passing the buck to another entity? 🤷‍♂️

I love the idea of doing it block by block, like in Rochester. It's a more manageable way to go, and it prioritizes communities that need it most. But we need some kind of funding plan that works for everyone, not just the city or state gov't 💸.

We all know the stakes are high when it comes to lead pipe safety. I'm no expert, but small amounts can have serious consequences, especially for kids. So yeah, let's get this done ASAP! 🕒
 
I mean come on... gotta say, government takeover is lookin' like a solid solution to this lead pipe conundrum 🤔. I know some folks might think it's a lot of work, but trust me, it's better than doin' the same thing over and over again with different landowners gettin' in the way 😒. And let's be real, the state is already responsible for some of these aspects, so why not just take on the whole shebang? 💸

It's all about economics, you know? Get a bunch of lines done at once, and you can score some sweet deals on materials and labor ⚠️. And yeah, there are gonna be some logistical hiccups, but that's just part of the game 🤺.

And honestly, what's the alternative? Keep waitin' for private landowners to take responsibility like they're doin' now? Please, it's been years and we still ain't seen nothin' 😴. Give me a break... let's get this done already! 💪
 
ugh, i mean, come on people! 550k lead pipes in nyc? that's like, crazy 🤯. i think government takeover is the way to go here. i mean, they're already doing it for certain areas in the city, but scaling it up would be a game changer 💪. just imagine being able to do block by block replacements without all the hassle of permits and landowners etc... it's like, a no-brainer 🙄.

and yeah, cost is definitely an issue, but think about all the money we're saving on public health costs in the long run 🤑. it's not just kids who are affected, either - anyone with even small amounts of lead exposure can end up with some pretty serious health problems 🤕.

i'm also loving that rochester is doing its own thing over there 🙌. municipal gov't stepping in to replace pipes for property owners? genius 🔥. we should be seeing more initiatives like this, not just nyc and rochester, but all over the state 💪.
 
I think government takeover is a solid idea 🤝. I mean, if they can do it in Rochester without costing customers anything, why not across the state? It makes sense to have one plan and stick to it, especially since the problem's so big 🚧. Plus, they could get more efficient with materials and labor agreements, like Klainberg said 💼. I'm worried about the cost though - $4 billion is a lot of dough 💸. But if it means saving people from lead poisoning, it's worth it 💕. I'd rather have a safe water supply than worry about permits and landowners 🚫. What do you guys think?
 
The whole situation with New York's lead pipes is a total mess 🤯... I mean, we're talking about 550,000 lead pipes that need to be replaced by 2037, but private landowners are supposed to foot the bill? It's like they think the state and local governments are just gonna magic up some cash or something 💸. But what if we took a more streamlined approach? Like, the government takes over, block by block, and makes it one big construction project 🏗️. That way, you can get materials at a better price, line up labor agreements, and keep costs under control.

And let's be real, this isn't just about the money - it's about public health 💊. We're talking about serious consequences for kids if they're exposed to lead. And according to that report, we could save over $42 billion in public health costs over 35 years? That's some serious bang for your buck! 🤑 But for all the politicking and debate, it feels like nobody's really taking concrete action yet 🕰️.
 
ugh i had the craziest dream last nite lol i was flying over the city with my pet dragon 🐉💨 we were chasing after a giant pizza that was floating in mid air... anyway back to this lead pipe thingy, i feel like it's kinda funny how they're all bickering about who's gonna pay for it. like, can't we just get all the pizzas delivered to everyone's houses instead? 🍕👀 and btw have you tried that new app that lets you order food from random places around the world? i found this amazing spot in tokyo that makes the best ramen noodles 🍜
 
I'm low-key freaking out about this NYC lead pipe thing 🤯. I mean, $10,000 per line is crazy expensive, but it's like, what's the real cost of not replacing them? Like, how many kids are going to grow up with brain damage or whatever because of those old pipes? 🤕 It makes sense that they're talking about taking over the project 'cause private landowners are being super slow and bureaucratic. We need some adulting from our gov officials ASAP 💪
 
I think gov is gonna step in & help with replacing all them old lead pipes 🚧💦. It's crazy to think they gotta sort out permits & landowner issues on their own...that's like tryin' to solve a puzzle blindfolded 😩. Just imagine if they could just do it block by block, like Joshua said 💡. It'd be way cheaper & faster! Plus, think about all the sick kids who get exposed to lead 🤕. It's not exactly rocket science (pun intended) for the gov to step up & help. They're already funding some initiatives in NYC...now they just need to pass the right laws 💪🏼💰. Let's hope they can get it done by 2037! 🎉
 
I'm thinkin' this whole thing is a classic example of federalism in action 🤔. You got these private landowners who are all like "yeah, I'll replace my lead pipes when I can afford it" 💸, while the state's all like "come on, guys, we're gonna make you do it" 👊. It's a classic case of the 'market fails' – you know, where the government steps in because the free market just isn't workin' out 🤷‍♂️.

And let's be real, this is exactly what democracy is all about – makin' tough decisions that benefit the greater good 🇺🇸. If we can get a consensus on how to tackle this issue, I say let's take it national and make lead pipe replacement a top priority 💪. We gotta think bigger than just the $10,000 cost per building owner – we're talkin' about preventin' serious health problems for future generations 👶.

It's all about findin' that sweet spot between individual responsibility and collective action 🤝. So, I'd say let's not be afraid to get creative and try out new models like Rochester's citywide initiative 🚧. We gotta think outside the box and put people over profits 🤑.
 
the thing is, if the state takes over, it could make things more efficient but also lead to some kinda bureaucratic nightmare 🤯 they gotta figure out who's in charge of what, how the money gets allocated, and all that jazz. meanwhile, cities like rochester are doing their own thang and getting stuff done without breaking a sweat 👍
 
man this is crazy 🤯 like how can we afford to not replace these lead pipes?? i mean $10k per pipe is no joke 🤑 but at the same time private landowners are not exactly thrilled about shelling out that kinda cash either 🙄 maybe gov't takeover would be a good idea 🤔 they could get it done faster and cheaper, like block by block 🔩 and then the city can just take care of it all once the pipes are replaced 🏗️ but i also feel bad for the landowners who have to deal with all the permits and whatnot 🙈 maybe a hybrid approach would work? like gov't helps out some small towns and cities that need it more 🌎
 
I mean, I'm not surprised that private landowners are being super hesitant to replace lead pipes... 🤷‍♀️ I guess it's hard to say no to $10,000 when someone else is paying for it. But come on, $4 billion? That's like, a whole lot of money 💸. And can we just say that the fact that some communities are getting left behind because they don't have the resources to fight for their own rights is super concerning 😕. I mean, it's not exactly rocket science... replacing old pipes shouldn't be that hard. Maybe the government should take a page out of Rochester's book and just do the work themselves? 🤔
 
I'm so worried about those lead pipes in New York, they're like ticking time bombs waiting to contaminate our water supply 🚽💦. It's crazy that private landowners are the ones on the hook to fix it, like they should be held accountable for contaminating their own neighborhoods. I think the government takeover idea is a great way forward, but we need some legislative changes ASAP to make it happen 📣.

I mean, think about it - if the government can get materials and labor deals at scale, why not just do it all at once? It's not like it's going to break the bank 💸. And on top of saving billions in public health costs, we're also talking about giving kids a healthy start in life 🌱.

Rochester's approach is definitely worth learning from - taking care of the most vulnerable communities first and doing the work for property owners without them paying out of pocket. It's all about prioritizing people over profits 💚.

Let's get our act together, New York, and make those lead pipes a thing of the past! 🔥
 
I think the gov'll probably end up doin' somethin' about those lead pipes in NY 🤔. With all the complexity of landowners and permits, it's a real pain in the neck for everyone involved. A government takeover could be a good idea, like they're talkin' about now. They could just take over and get the job done faster and cheaper. But at the same time, I can understand why they don't wanna pick up that $4 billion tab 🤑. Maybe they'll find a way to make it work, like Rochester did their own thing and got the city to do it for 'em. And with all the health risks of lead exposurin', it's not somethin' to be taken lightly 😬. Just hope they get it done before 2037...
 
I THINK THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD STEP IN AND TAKE OVER THIS PROJECT!!! 🚧 IT'S LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO WAIT FOR THE C clock TO TICK DOWN TO 2037, WHICH IS JUST TOO LONG FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM LEAD POISONING. 😷 WE NEED ACTION NOW! the cost is just a tiny fraction of what we'll save on healthcare costs in the long run. and think about all the hassle property owners are having to deal with - it's like they're being stuck between a rock and a hard place. 🤯 the government takeover option might be logistically challenging, but it would be worth it if it means getting those pipes replaced ASAP! 💪
 
I think gov's should take over lead pipe replacement ASAP 🕰️💧. It's like they're saying one thing but doing another - every public water supplier is supposed to replace these pipes, so why not make it official? It's not just about the cost, it's about the hassle and who gets stuck with the bill. The gov can get materials at a better price and line up labor agreements, that'd be a game changer 💸.

I was reading some of your other comments about this topic and I have to agree, it's like we're all being told one thing but nobody's doing anything 🤷‍♂️. We need to focus on getting these pipes replaced before 2037 or else... I don't know what'll happen 😬.

Rochester's approach is actually a good idea - the gov can just do it for property owners and prioritize communities that need it most 💪. It's like they say, an economy of scale, but in this case, it's about people's lives 🤝.

I'm curious to see what happens next, will the gov step up or is it gonna be one of those things where nobody does anything 🤔?
 
🤔💦 this whole thing is super complex 📈 but i think gov gotta step in 👀 because private landowners are like, not motivated enough 🤑 to fix these pipes themselves 💪 and it's affecting people's health 🤕 especially kids 👧 who are most affected by lead exposure 🚫

some cities like rochester are already doing it right 🏆 by taking care of property owners and making it a no-brainer 🙌 but we need more funding 💸 to make it happen on a larger scale 📊

i think gov takeover is the way to go 💯 especially with the federal government already saying public water suppliers gotta replace these pipes 🚽 it's about time they follow through 🔒 and make it cost-effective 💸 for everyone involved 👥
 
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