Labour's swift pubs U-turn shows government learning – and repeating Treasury mistakes

Labour's hasty U-turn on business rates has sparked debate over whether the government is truly learning from its mistakes, or simply repeating old Treasury errors.

While some Labour MPs may welcome the swift reversal of policy as a sign that the government is listening to concerns, others are questioning why these U-turns keep happening. The latest change comes just weeks after similar reversals on inheritance tax for farmers and changes to benefit reforms, both of which were forced by strong pressure from campaigning groups.

The decision to revisit business rates valuations was initially met with resistance from the hospitality trade, who warned that it would lead to major increases for pubs and hotels. However, Labour MPs had planned to table an amendment to the finance bill if nothing was done, suggesting that they were willing to take action to prevent these rises.

One MP noted that while the U-turn is a positive sign, "it would have been better if we hadn't done it at all". Others see a pattern emerging in which Treasury decisions are made without proper consultation or consideration for the consequences.

This raises questions over whether the government truly has a mechanism in place to prevent these sorts of policy errors. One MP suggested that there is a lack of "political nous" and "sense-checking" within the Treasury, with many decisions being made without thorough consideration of their impact.

The debate highlights the ongoing struggle for effective communication between policymakers and those affected by their decisions. While some may welcome the government's willingness to listen and adapt, others are calling for more engagement and consultation to ensure that policy is developed in a way that takes into account the needs and concerns of all stakeholders.
 
I'm seeing a lot of mixed vibes on this one 🤔. If we look at the stats, since Labour took power, they've had 17 U-turns on policies, with an average delay of just 2 weeks between announcement and reversal 🕰️. That's pretty fast for any government!

But what's interesting is that only about 20% of these U-turns have been welcomed by the public 😐. The rest are more met with skepticism or even outrage. Maybe it's time to reevaluate how the government is making policy decisions? 📊

A study by the Institute for Fiscal Studies found that the average Treasury decision affects around 3 million people 📈. That's a lot of folks! It's crazy that only 15% of those affected are even consulted on the changes before they're made 💬.

And let's not forget, this is just one example of how policy decisions can have far-reaching consequences... 👀
 
🤔 I think this U-turn on business rates is a bit suspicious... is it just politics as usual? 🤑 If Labour MPs were so keen on pushing this change through, why didn't they stick to their guns if it meant major increases for pubs and hotels? It sounds like they're playing the politician's game of wait-and-see.

I'm not convinced that these U-turns are a sign of genuine learning from past mistakes... more like a scramble to keep up with lobbying groups on both sides. 🤝 And what about all those other reversals on inheritance tax and benefit reforms? Are we just seeing a pattern of policy flip-flopping? It's hard to trust that the government is really listening to concerns or making informed decisions.

Effective communication between policymakers and stakeholders is key here... but it seems like we're still missing that crucial link. 💬 Do they not have mechanisms in place to prevent these sorts of errors? Is it just a case of "Treasury error" being swept under the rug? 🤯
 
I feel like we're stuck in some sort of policy rollercoaster 🤯. One minute they're announcing something, the next it's being taken back or changed. I get that they want to listen to everyone's concerns, but can't they just have one coherent plan? 😂 It's like they're trying to avoid making a decision altogether. And honestly, I'm not sure if they even need an amendment from MPs to tell them what the problem is 🤔. Just having some proper consultation and sense-checking would be a good start, you know? 👍
 
I dont get why they keep making these u-turns 🤔, it just feels like the same old errors from the treasury over and over again 😩. I mean, cant we have some foresight for once? 🕰️ its like they're just reacting to pressure from groups instead of actually thinking through the consequences 🤷‍♂️. And another thing, whats with all these changes happening at the last minute? cant we have a proper consultation or something? 📝 this whole system feels so backdoor and secretive 🚫. I wish they'd take the time to consider how their decisions will affect real people's lives, not just the groups that are already vocal about it 💬
 
I'm telling you, this U-turn on business rates is like the Labour party trying to rewrite its own history 🤦‍♂️. They're so quick to change their minds it's like they can't make up their own bloody minds! But seriously, have you seen the Treasury in action? It's like a one-man show where that one guy makes all the decisions without anyone else telling him what not to do 😂.

I mean, come on, if they're so worried about listening to concerns, why did they even make the U-turn in the first place? And now we're supposed to believe it was just a coincidence? 🙄 Give me a break! This is like the government playing a game of whack-a-mole – every time you think they've fixed one problem, another pops up.

I'm not saying Labour didn't have a point, but it's all so... messy 💸. And what about the consultation part? Are we just supposed to assume that the Treasury is doing its job without any checks and balances? I don't buy it 🤑. This is like the Wild West out there – anyone can make decisions without consequences!
 
Ugh 😬 just think about how much time and resources those U-turns must be costing Labour 🤯 and how many meetings they're having with campaigning groups 📅... it's like, can't they just get it right in the first place? 🙄 I mean, I guess it's a sign that they're listening to concerns, but all these reversals are just so frustrating 💔. And what's with this lack of "political nous" and "sense-checking"? 🤷‍♂️ shouldn't they have some kind of system in place to prevent policy errors? 🚫 It's like they're just making it up as they go along 😩... anyway, back to the business rates thing, I bet those pubs and hotels are still gonna get slammed 💸
 
I'm so over these U-turns! 🙄 It feels like the gov is just trying to placate everyone without actually fixing the problem. I mean, can't they take the time to think things through before making a decision? It's not like they're going to make things better by changing their mind halfway down the line. And what's with all these groups coming in and forcing changes? Can't they just have a good old-fashioned discussion with each other first? 🤔
 
I'm not surprised to see Labour's U-turn on business rates 🤔. I mean, it's like they're saying "we listen" 💬 but then we question whether they actually learn from their mistakes 🔙. It's like they're trying to check off the right boxes without really thinking through the consequences of their actions 📝.

And honestly, I think this is just a symptom of a bigger problem - lack of effective communication between policymakers and the people they're supposed to be serving 👥. If Labour's willing to do an U-turn on something as big as business rates, that means they didn't get it right in the first place 🤦‍♂️.

But here's the thing: maybe this is actually a positive sign? Maybe the government is just really bad at doing things and needs to be told so 😅. It's not like they're intentionally trying to mess things up (although that does sound kinda plausible too 🙃).
 
🤔 just wonderin why gov can't get it right 1st time round, like what's goin on over at treasury 🤑 they keep changin policies left & right w/o thinkin thru the cons 💸 pubs & hotels are already takin a hit from these rate hikes 🍺😓 & now we gotta question whether gov is really listenin or just repeatin old mistakes 😞
 
🤯 I mean, come on! It's like they're playing whack-a-mole here! One minute they make a change, the next minute they backtrack. What's going on? Are they even listening to their own MPs or is it just a case of "oh no, someone's complaining, let's reverse it"? 💸 I get that you gotta listen to people and all, but can't they do some proper analysis first? It's like they're just winging it. And what about the long-term effects? Are we gonna end up with even more problems down the line because of these hasty U-turns? 🤔 Just wondering if there's a way to make this process better, you know? More planning, more consultation... something! 📊💡
 
I'm so done with these U-turns 🙄. Like, I get it, gov't wants to be seen as responsive to public pressure, but can't they just make informed decisions for once? 😒 It's like they're just flipping a coin and hoping it lands on the right side of policy 🤑. The fact that this is happening multiple times, with farmers, pubs, and hotels getting slammed by changes... it's just bad planning 🤦‍♂️.

I'm all about listening to concerns, but you can't just ignore them and then backtrack when someone gets upset 😔. If the gov't wants to make things right, they need to get their act together and have a real consultation process in place 📝. It's not just about the treasury guys making decisions willy-nilly; it's about creating policies that actually benefit everyone, not just the ones who are already in power 💪.

We need more nuance here 👀. Just because they're having an open dialogue with lobbyists and whatnot doesn't mean they're being transparent or accountable 🤫. Transparency is key, people! Let's see some real commitment to change here 🔥.
 
🤔 I mean, think about it... the government's just trying to figure things out as they go, but sometimes that leads to a bit of chaos 🌪️. It's like when you're trying to cook a new recipe and everything is coming together fine, then suddenly you add too much salt and BAM! 👅 The question is, how do you avoid that salt from ruining the whole dish? In this case, it seems like there's still some work to be done on getting policymakers and stakeholders on the same page 📝. It's all about communication, right? No one wants to be the "salt" that ruins everything 😊.
 
lol gotta ask, isn't it weird how they keep changing policies like this? 🤯 I mean, I get that the gov wants to listen to ppl's concerns, but do they really need to flip-flop every 5 min? 😂 It's like they're not even doing a proper cost-benefit analysis or anything. And what's up with all these U-turns happening in such short succession? 🤔 It just looks like the Treasury is winging it and hoping for the best, rather than actually thinking through the consequences. I'd love to see some real sense-checking happen before they make a decision... but idk if that's even possible in gov land 😊
 
its like they're trying but idk if its just too late for them 🤔. they keep making changes then changing them back again and its like... what are they even doing lol? i get that they wanna listen to ppl, but u gotta have a plan in place or its all just random decisions, right? 🤑
 
I'm so curious about this whole thing 🤔... it feels like Labour's trying to learn from their past mistakes, but at the same time, they're just repeating old patterns 📉 #GovernanceFail? Some ppl think it's a good sign that they're listening & adapting, but others are all like "why not have done it right in the 1st place?" 😂 I mean, can we ever really be sure if their decisions are based on actual impact or just politics as usual? 🤷‍♀️ #Politics101
 
😒 gotta wonder if they're just trying to save face after all those policy U-turns... like, yeah, good on 'em for listening to feedback and adjusting their plan, but come on, can't they just get it right from the start? 🤔 it's like they're trying to put out fires instead of preventing them in the first place. 💡 what really needs to change is that inner circle of politicians and bureaucrats who keep making these decisions without fully thinking through the consequences... some good ol' fashioned consultation and sense-checking would go a long way in avoiding policy blunders 🤓
 
I think its funny how we got to this point 🤔. On one hand, you gotta respect the government for being willing to listen and change course when they're clearly made an error. Its like my mum used to say, "You can't learn from your mistakes if you don't acknowledge them first". But at the same time, I'm a bit concerned that these U-turns keep happening. It's like we're stuck in this cycle of "fix this, fix that" without really taking the time to think about how our actions are gonna affect others. I mean, would've been better if they just took their time and done it right from the start 😒. Maybe thats the lesson here - sometimes slow and steady wins the day over all the hasty decisions 🙃
 
I'm low-key worried about this U-turn thingy... it feels like Labour is just tryna save face instead of actually fixin' the problems 🤔. I mean, if they're gonna change their mind on business rates without even consultin' with the hospitality trade, that's just a recipe for disaster! And what's up with all these sudden changes? It's like they're just tryna avoid makin' any real progress 🚫.

I think it's time for Labour to take a step back and reevaluate their approach. They need to make sure they're listenin' to the concerns of all stakeholders, not just the ones who are shoutin' the loudest. And, yeah, maybe they should be more careful about how they're makin' decisions... too much " political nous" ain't a bad thing 😂.

But for real, this whole situation is a bit of a mess. I hope Labour can get their act together and start makin' some real changes instead of just tryna patch things up 🙏.
 
🤔 I think this U-turn on business rates is kinda weird 🙄. Like, what was wrong with the original plan? Was it really worth changing everything at the last minute just 'cause some groups were complaining? It feels like a big mess to me... We should be learning from our mistakes and making things better, not constantly adjusting them because people are getting grumpy 😒.

And honestly, it's kinda suspicious that these U-turns keep happening 🤑. Is it just coincidence or is there something more going on behind the scenes? It feels like the government is trying to appease everyone, but in the process, they're losing sight of what's really important 🙃.

We need better communication and consultation between policymakers and those affected by their decisions 💬. No one wins when policy changes are made without considering the consequences... it's just a recipe for disaster 😳.
 
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