UK IVF couples use legal loophole to rank embryos based on potential IQ, height and health

UK fertility clinic staff are exploiting a loophole in UK law to help couples choose the healthiest and smartest embryos during IVF treatment. The practice involves sending raw genetic data for their embryos abroad, where it is analyzed using complex algorithms that predict IQ, height, and health risks.

Critics argue that this technique is unproven and unethical, but its proponents claim it can provide an edge in choosing the best embryo. One US company, Herasight, charges Β£37,000 to analyze an unlimited number of embryos, a fee that some couples feel is worth paying for a chance at having healthier and more intelligent children.

The loophole in question lies in UK data protection laws, which allow patients to access their own genetic data and send it abroad for analysis. While the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) has stated that this practice is unlawful within the UK, some fertility clinics are taking a more permissive approach.

Dr Cristina Hickman, a senior embryologist at Avenues fertility clinic in London, warns that this can lead to "legal and ethical confusion." She argues that while she would not block a couple's request to choose a particular embryo if it did not conflict with medical safety, the HFEA should be allowed to regulate the use of polygenic testing within clinics.

The European Society of Genetics has condemned this technique as "unproven and unethical," citing broader concerns about creating a stratified society where wealthier parents can select embryos based on their perceived genetic superiority. Clinical geneticist Angus Clarke notes that some parents may be tempted by the promise of selecting the "best child possible" – but warns that it might be difficult to live up to those expectations.

As for Herasight, the company claims that its algorithms are backed by scientific research and has worked with UK-based couples who have undergone IVF treatment. However, critics argue that this technique is still murky science being applied in an emotionally charged context.
 
This whole IVF thing is getting out of hand πŸ€―πŸ’Έ. Can't we just focus on making healthy babies? This embryo selection stuff sounds like a recipe for disaster to me 🚨😬
 
I'm not sure about this whole polygenic testing thing... I mean, can we really afford to play God like this? It's one thing to want the best for your kids, but is it really fair to use some fancy algorithm to decide their fate? And what about all the variables that come into play - genetics, environment, upbringing... do we even know how much of each contributes? I'm not sure I trust Herasight's algorithms just yet. But hey, if it's gonna help more people get their dream kids, I'm all for it 😊
 
πŸ€” I'm not sure if it's a good thing or bad, but think about it like this: if you've got Β£37k to spare, wouldn't you want the best chance of having healthy and smart kids? πŸ€‘ But then again, there's always a catch – what about those who can't afford it? Does that mean they're less deserving of a "best" embryo just 'cause they don't have the cash πŸ’Έ. And what's the point of even having IVF if you're gonna rely on some dodgy algorithm to make the choice for you πŸ€–.
 
I gotta say, this whole IVF embryo analysis thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies 😬. I mean, on one hand, if it can genuinely help couples choose healthier and more intelligent embryos, then that's a game-changer for them. But at the same time, I'm totally down with Dr Cristina Hickman's concerns about "legal and ethical confusion" πŸ€”. It's like, we're already navigating complex moral waters when it comes to reproductive rights – do we really need another layer of complexity here?

And don't even get me started on the whole wealth vs intelligence thing πŸ’ΈπŸ§ . If some parents are going to splurge Β£37,000 for this "edge" over others, that just seems like a recipe for social inequality. I mean, what's the point of having the most intelligent or healthy embryo if you're still gonna struggle to provide for your family? It's all about perspective, right?

I'm not sure if we need more research on this one πŸ€”πŸ“Š, but I do think we need to be super cautious about how we apply scientific advancements in this area. We don't wanna create a situation where parents are feeling pressured into "choosing" certain traits over others – that's just gonna lead to some serious emotional baggage πŸ˜•.

Lastly, I'm curious to know more about those algorithms Herasight is using πŸ€–πŸ”¬. Are they really backed by scientific research? Or is this just another case of tech companies making claims they can't back up? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ We need to get a handle on what's actually happening here before we start celebrating the "smartest" or "healthiest" embryos πŸ˜ƒ
 
the whole thing reeks of a slippery slope πŸŒ€... once you open this Pandora's box of selecting embryos based on IQ, height, and health risks, where do you draw the line? what about other factors like personality traits or creativity? should we be really playing god with these kids' genetic code? πŸ’‘
 
🀯 thinkin this is a weird loophole, but also kinda cool that we got tech savvy enough to analyze embryos like they're computers πŸ–₯️ 37k to know if ur kid's gonna be smart or not? i dunno man... sounds too good (and expensive) to be true πŸ’Έ my cousin went thru ivf and it was a nightmare, so yeah gotta think about the ethics here πŸ€”
 
I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable using genetic data to predict things like height or health risks... it's all a bit too much for me 😊 The idea of paying Β£37k just feels like a lot. What are the chances it'll actually work? And isn't there already enough pressure on kids to succeed anyway? πŸ€”
 
I'm all for parents wanting to make informed choices about their family, but I gotta say, this whole polygenic testing thing raises some red flags for me πŸ€”. It's like we're playing God here, deciding what makes a child "healthy" and "smart". What about the kid who doesn't turn out that way? Are they still worthy of love just because their parents didn't use Herasight's fancy algorithms? πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ We need to be careful not to create a society where we're only choosing kids based on what our genes can guarantee, rather than accepting the unique person they'll become. The HFEA should definitely be more involved here and make sure we're not crossing any lines into "embryo engineering" territory 🚫.
 
idk about this herasight thing... Β£37k is a lotta cash for some math and computers πŸ€–πŸ’Έ but what if its not as accurate as they claim? also how do we know the data is even safe? its one thing to predict iq and height but another thing to ensure the kid wont have any other health issues that could come later in life...
 
πŸ€” This whole thing is giving me major concerns... they're essentially playing around with people's hopes of having a healthy kid by choosing the "smartest" embryo 🧠... I don't get why Herasight is charging Β£37k for this service, it just seems like an outrageous price tag πŸ’Έ... and what if these algorithms aren't as accurate as they say? 🀯 We should be careful about how we approach genetic testing, especially when it comes to our kids' health and wellbeing 🌟
 
I'm not sure about this genetic testing thingy... I mean, if it's really gonna predict IQ and all that πŸ€”... seems like a lot of pressure on these parents to choose the perfect kid for their family. And what about the cost? Β£37k is a huge amount of money! Are they trying to create a society where only the rich can have kids with super smart genes? That doesn't sound right to me πŸ˜•. I get why some people might want to try this, but isn't it kinda like playing God or something? πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ...
 
I'm not sure if I'm excited or worried about this new trend in IVF treatment πŸ€”. On one hand, the idea of getting more insight into your embryo's potential health and intelligence sounds like a dream come true for some couples. But on the other hand, it raises so many questions about inequality and social stratification 🌎. I mean, what if this technique becomes accessible only to those who can afford it? That would be a recipe for disaster πŸ’Έ.

And let's not forget about the lack of scientific evidence supporting these polygenic tests βš–οΈ. Dr. Hickman is right to raise concerns about legal and ethical confusion. This feels like a case of playing with fire without a clear understanding of what we're doing πŸ”₯.

Still, I think it's interesting that some clinics are taking a more relaxed approach to this loophole πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ. Perhaps there's room for a nuanced discussion about the potential benefits and risks of these tests? For now, I'll be keeping an eye on this story with a mix of curiosity and skepticism πŸ‘€.
 
🀝 This whole thing has me like 🀯, I mean, can't we just focus on helping ppl get pregnant & happy instead of trying to tweak the odds with sci-y stuff? πŸ§¬πŸ’‰ It's like, isn't IVF already a risk? Do we really need to add more variables to the mix? πŸ€” And what's with all these $$$ companies popping up, making it sound like you can "buy" a better kid? πŸ’ΈπŸ‘Ά It just seems so... extra. 😩 Can't we just keep things simple & focus on love & hope instead of trying to engineer perfect little humans? ❀️
 
πŸ€πŸ’‘ this tech sounds like sci-fi but what if it actually works πŸ’₯? i mean, can't parents just want the best for their kids πŸ™? but, on the other hand, how far should we go with playing God πŸ€°β€β™€οΈ? some ppl might get super excited about "choosing" a smart baby πŸ’‘, but what about those who don't make the cut πŸ€•? is it fair to leave them behind? πŸ€”

anywayz, if this tech does work, i'd be all for it 😊. imagine having an edge in picking the healthiest, most intelligent embryo πŸ‘ΆπŸ§ ... but we gotta make sure it's not just about the benjamins πŸ’Έ and making wealthy parents feel superior πŸ€‘. we need more research & regulation πŸ”¬πŸ’» to ensure this tech is used responsibly πŸ’―.
 
I'm low-key worried about this whole embryo analysis thing πŸ€”. I mean, think about it - we're already dealing with so much pressure to produce the "perfect" child, and now some companies are offering a way for parents to 'design' their kid's intelligence and health? It sounds like a sci-fi movie plot πŸš€.

And what really gets me is that these clinics are exploiting a loophole in UK law to do this. I get that they want to help couples make informed choices, but the HFEA should be setting boundaries here. We can't just let anyone use some unproven algorithm to decide whether or not an embryo is 'good enough'. It's like we're playing God, and that's a pretty big responsibility πŸ‘€.

I also don't like how this is being sold as some kind of luxury item - Β£37,000 for an analysis? That's outrageous! What about the couples who can't afford it? Are they just gonna be left behind in the whole 'choosing the best embryo' debate πŸ€‘. It feels like we're creating a two-tiered system where only the wealthy have access to 'optimal' kids.

We need to have a real conversation about what's at stake here - our values, our ethics, and what it means to be human 🀝. This isn't just about IVF or embryo analysis - it's about who gets to make decisions about life and death (or rather, about the genetic potential of a tiny human 😱).
 
I'm so over this whole embryo analysis thing 🀯. Like seriously, can't we just focus on getting the right match for our kids and not worry about what their IQ or height is gonna be? I mean, I get it, parents want the best for their kids, but do we really need some company to analyze our embryos like they're products at an online store πŸ›οΈ? And Β£37,000?! That's like asking people to pay rent to play the lottery πŸ€‘. What if these tests aren't even accurate? I mean, have you seen those documentaries about how messed up genetic testing can be? It's like playing a game of roulette with our kids' lives... I don't think so 🚫. And what about the ethics of it all? Are we creating some kind of elitist society where only rich parents get to choose their "perfect" child? No thanks, let's just stick with good ol' fashioned luck and hope for the best 🀞.
 
I think it's kinda wild how some fertility clinics are using this loophole to help couples pick the "healthiest" embryos... I mean, Β£37k for analyzing an unlimited number of embryos? That's a lot of cash πŸ€‘ But at the same time, I can see why people would wanna try anything to increase their chances of having a healthier kid... my cousin knows someone who's been through IVF and they're desperate for any advantage πŸ’”.
 
🀯 This new IVF loophole is wild πŸŒͺ️. I mean, Β£37k to analyze embryos abroad? That's like buying a lottery ticket or something πŸ’Έ. And the fact that some clinics are basically running their own genetic testing without HFEA approval...that's just shady 😏. As for polygenic testing being "unproven" but still getting used in IVF...I feel like we're playing God here πŸ‘Š. I get why parents want to know what they're getting into, but is this really the answer? πŸ€”
 
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